Excerpts from Dr. Martin Ball's 2016 LAMPS Lecture (Reupload)

By popular demand: A recut of Dr. Martin Ball's statements at a 2016 Los Angeles Medicinal Plants Society (LAMPS) lecture.

We stand by the original video, but wanted to remove barriers to discussing the content, and to give those struggling with the style a chance to engage.

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In this video, Martin W. Ball, Ph.D. discusses his enthusiasm for vomiting on clients, touching his clients' genitals, and forcing his thumbs down their throats while "guiding" them under the influence of 5-MeO-DMT.

Ball hosts the "Entheogenic Evolution" podcast and is an online consultant for what he calls "Nondual Entheogenic Integration."

Ball edited, published, and authored the foreword to the 2020 edition of the "Manual for Psychedelic Guides" by Mark Haden—the former Executive Director of The Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) Canada.

The footage was originally recorded by LAMPS (Los Angeles Medicinal Plant Society) on October 30th, 2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQctOMSmBuk

At 41:09 Ball discusses his enthusiasm for vomiting on people under the influence of 5-MeO-DMT as part of a therapeutic protocol. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2468&...​

At 2:17:28 Ball mentions shoving his thumbs down clients’ throats to the point of gagging while they’re under the influence. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=8248&...​

At 1:24:56 Ball recounts an occasion when he lay down on top of an unresponsive woman and forced his tongue into her mouth while she was under the influence and had stopped breathing. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=5096&...​

At 2:28:55 Ball states that, in the context of working with people under the influence of drugs, sometimes he touches people "on their genitals because that's what they need” for spiritual and/or therapeutic reasons.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=8935&...​

At 1:33:03 Ball demonstrates complete disregard for the intergenerational trauma articulated by a Jewish client. In response to the client’s comments about Jewish suffering, Ball states that the client’s comments “Set me off. I came and I just sat right on his chest and I just looked right in his face...and I said do not bring that kind of bullshit into my house.” - https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=5583&...​

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Transcript

This transcript was generated automatically from YouTube's captions, then cleaned up by removing filler words, repeated words and background sounds. It may still contain errors.

[00:00] Yeah so I'm here to talk to you tonight I think the title was 5-meo dmt and non-dual energetic therapy and I never really planned things out I just like to talk and I tell people I click I purr I growl I tone I whistle I do this kind of weird you know it's kind of like the speaking kind of thing that's just all coming out it's all I'm doing is I'm using my body to express the energy as it is so there's no birds or bears or insects or aliens here it's just the

[01:01] Energy sounds this way and I'm helping release it and move it so this I mean it gets really really weird so a person's lying down and I'm on top and then I'm growling and purring and then usually I'm making kind of you know these weird faces years ago I started purging more for people and it used to be that I'd like to purge a little bit but now it's like buckets and buckets of purging almost every single session I lose whatever's in my stomach I lose all of it in the session and the client is like oh yes thank you oh yes which is great I'm sometimes not most of the time most the time the way that works is the person is lying down they're kind of like spread eagle like this and okay well we can get into the details well I'll answer the question first I'm just thinking of what to say here it's I usually make it into the bucket

[02:03] So leave a hand on the person get the bucket put the bucket down sometimes it just happens where I throw up on the person because that's what they need where I had this guy he's like looking at me he's like can I lick your heart it's like okay so he kind of leans in trying to lick my heart he's like no no I need you to lick my heart and then he fell down and see what I found is that people's ego often will try and draw you into their thing whatever it is that egos are just looking for playmates and so they're looking for hey I've got a proposition do you want to play with me in this way so that's why I tell people look I don't do requests but in this instance this actually was genuine he did need someone to lick his heart so he's lying down and I've got my tongue on his heart and then I can feel it coming and then right on his chest the guy looked at it it's like oh it's a work of

[03:06] Art and then he like smeared it all over himself that one of the weird ones this is way back in the beginning woman comes over and I don't know where we were round to round three I'm not quite sure where we were rounds of the medicine but she's on the mat I'm on top of her and my tongue is on her forehead and I'm growling and then all of a sudden I can feel it it's coming and I just and I threw up all over her head yeah see this is the kind of [expletive] where the ego is back in there my ego's like dude you can't do that you cannot throw up on this woman that is so rude it's like no I have to so I threw up on her head this is what I've learned about throwing up on people they're usually like oh yeah

[04:07] You know so I learned like really early on my job as a facilitator here is simply to follow the energy and to embody it fully without reservation without second guessing without judgment and if it means I need to throw up on someone throw up on them just do it because they're going to appreciate it as odd as it may seem they will find value in that so what I always tell people going into a session is that look if I hear your ego indulging I'm probably going to call you on it that I might let you do that for a little bit but if it becomes excessive that I'm going to call you on it and it's your job to trust that I'm telling you that but sometimes egos don't want to hear that that people are like no I know don't tell me that but other times it can snap people out like I had one guy come over several years ago and older gentleman and he went into this whole thing you know he took his he's like oh we jews have always suffered for god we've all why

[05:09] Must we suffer so and man that just so set me off I just I came and I just sat right on his chest and I just looked right in his face and he had his eyes closed he was like what where the sufferer forgot and I just got I got this close and I said do not bring that kind of [expletive] into my house and he opened his eyes and he looked at me like you're right I'm so full of [expletive] oh my god and then he like and then he threw up and then he went into this beautiful state but sometimes you need to call people on that the practitioner needs to be willing to put themselves in that situation that look your ego is indulging here so I'm going to confront you for your benefit I mean this is done out of love but it might get difficult but sometimes you need to tell people you're full of [expletive] and you're doing it right now yeah and the ego is so powerful so tell

[06:12] Me like you know honestly symmetrically yeah are the challenges of the pitfalls cheese your ego just your sexual energy do people have difficult times with that with you do you have a difficult time with that with them sometimes okay that's a really good question I cannot tell you how especially men too but mainly women man they want to have sex right then and there in the middle of the session I mean it's very very clear what's going on there and which also is very natural because what else is god doing I mean god has a few options kill there's lots of fun sex even more fun or eat them okay so consume interacting with the other I mean there's only a limited number of choices and everything else is kind of playing that out so especially many women get very very sexual so if I were the kind of person like hey I want to give people medicine and let's just manipulate my way into their loins I mean that'd be really really easy to do

[07:13] That would not be a problem I have never had sex with a client I have never engaged sexually sometimes I am touching people on their genitals because that's what they need but when so it's got to be honest it's got to be real that's the one thing it's the only thing I'm concerned about is is it real is it genuine you know especially with women I've also found in working different places of their body where like I might be working on a woman's throat here and then afterwards she tells me like man that was all sexual for me that was all about what was going on down here so there's just this interesting connectivity between the whole thing and then even sometimes I find my thumbs are like way down people's throats again it's not something I'm planning on it's just I'm going at them and it's like a magnet my thumbs are like whoa way down their throats and then it's like their body is like sucking my thumbs in it's like deeper

[08:14] Deeper then all of a sudden and then ah and then through that release and so this is part of it that's like I don't know what the hell is going on so when people really go deep it's very common for people to stop breathing for short periods of time so there is the potential that someone might not start to breathe again like I'll tell you like I'll tell you there's one time I had this woman who was 79 years old and out of all the people that I've worked with she seemed the closest to like whoa she's really going and the way that because she wasn't breathing and she was just lying there what happened was I ended up lying down on top of her and I know this sounds odd so you don't have to tell me this sounds odd so I put my tongue in her mouth and I pushed against her tongue and there was no push back and I was like okay you know this is serious and so

[09:15] Then I just waited with my tongue up against the tip of her tongue and after a while she suddenly pushed my tongue out of her mouth I was like okay she's gonna be fine but that for me that was the session that I felt was the closest to someone like where she's really just gonna go and I think that there's always that potential oh my god great thank you