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# Qouptamine: A Synthesis of Psychedelia and Conspirituality
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- Published: 2021-02-01T19:38:24.000Z
- Updated: 2026-10-01T06:31:14.000Z
- Description: A brief rundown of the connections between the rioters at the Capitol, QAnon, and psychedelia. What happens when you take LSD and listen to Alex Jones? Excerpted from the January "Castalia" Livestream.
- Author: Mike Elliott
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A brief rundown of the connections between the rioters at the Capitol, QAnon, and psychedelia. What happens when you take LSD and listen to Alex Jones? Excerpted from the January "Castalia" Livestream.

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## Transcript

*This transcript was generated automatically from YouTube's captions, then cleaned up by removing filler words, repeated words and background sounds. It may still contain errors.*

[\[00:01\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=1s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) For people who don't know this is the bullhorn yeah the you know the guy that left the pence no on the with the face paint and the spear the loud voice that guy who made himself a fixture at a number of protests incl including climate protests and blm protests on the side of defending the police as far as we can tell angeli's earliest on record public activism committed to prince was you know advocating for a neo-shamanic psychedelic panacea of view of you know the world the world's problems fixing it all if only you know trump and all of us took mushrooms like all the problems

[\[01:02\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=62s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Would we all hug we'd hug it out we'd hug it you know and I think we kind of know what happened then he's currently incarcerated at this point I think he's facing 30 years but it's hard to not note that you know the guy went from psychedelic advocacy down wasn't a k-hole it was a q-hole I don't feel good about it I don't feel good about calling that advocacy but you know look it takes all kinds yeah and it feels worth pointing out and we discussed this at length on the on episode so check that out but it's worth noting that like a lot of his talks and ideas are not foreign to this space I mean these are the kind of things if you go if you went to festivals before the pandemic made that a non thing but if you went through festivals you would find numerous people giving the types of

[\[02:03\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=123s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Talks that he had listed on his facebook wall that are listed on his rumble that are listed sort of throughout his social media presence and the fact that these ideas sort of run in the same spheres I mean this is a thing that we see with fascism more generally when we look at sort of the its allergy to fact or its willingness to create alternative realities right because in those spaces you can sort of pedal the type of conspiracy theories that allow you to demonize particular groups or assert your own might makes right sort of view of the world and this is something you know russ just put out a great rundown of some of the iconography on angeli's body and the sort of appropriated norse or pagan and heathen imagery and the fact that that gets used to serve as talia lavin has pointed out it serves this mythologized notion of some you know white history and if we again and we've

[\[03:04\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=184s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Talked about it here before like understanding that whiteness was a construct that was put in place in the colonies in order to prop up capitalism in order to break solidarity between africans and indentured europeans and indigenous populations that had every sort of reason to work together against the white land-owning class of colonists right but that by using this sort of carrot and stick and new legal framework of whiteness in order to break some of that solidarity up whiteness is a fairly recent construct within human history so creating this notion of a mythologized white past to hearten back to you know to sort of serve up in the memory as a thing to push for right on this sort of united white front it's important to recognize the markers that we see around that and to see that that psychedelic spaces and alternative health framework spaces and

[\[04:05\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=245s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Crystal healing and you know q anon like these things do run together and have run together for quite some time yeah we discussed it with alan piper as the cultic malou so everything from ufos to you know conspiracy theories about seven foot tall shape-shifting lizard royalty people who feed on fear you know to crystals you know all of this kind of stuff there's not like a big criteria for entry and it's like syncretic religion which is actually super common in like the psychedelic tradition at as is like so you look at santo damie you look at you know modern mazatech practices with psilocybin you look at the boutique in gabon the native american church it's a hodgepodge and so it's continuous

[\[05:07\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=307s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) With some of the things that we're seeing in any case that that actually kind of brings us to q you know q there's a lot of q tiers being shed right now because people thought that great awakening was gonna happen and that donald trump slash james bond was gonna save the day and you know send hillary and john podesta to the camps for all their crimes against the pizza children it was a tangled web it is a tangled web you know I mean and watching people have some of the breakdowns around this and recognizing what this has done to families and friend groups and you know seeing like not to make apologetics for them and also to try to extend sympathy as some of these people's worldview kind of implodes and falls apart I mean you can see the degree to which people staked identities and self-understandings on these

[\[06:10\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=370s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Rather ludicrous beliefs but you know oh go on I was just gonna say that like even though some of the basis you know for the ideas have long been absurd to people who are not you know in that cultish like ideology it still has real impacts you know and like fueled a lot of the people who were part of that you know the insurrection at the capitol and so for a lot of people it's been kind of like laughed off and like oh don't pay attention to it don't take it seriously but we haven't paying attention to it because we see that like even kind of kooky seeming ideas can have real powerful social effects and I was struck by I don't remember the name of the it was a researcher who was looking into kind of cue ideology and he was on some like msnbc or cnn you know talk show after the capital happened and the hosts of the show were like laughing about the kind of ideas and the guy the

[\[07:11\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=431s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Researcher's face was like completely solid and he was just like this isn't funny like it's actually not funny like you can think it's hilarious but like you know we have to actually take this seriously even if the ideas are ludicrous you know totally it's like the old xkcd comic where it was like oh you know well there's a guy over here and you know he believes that that the earth is six thousand years old and there's some long philosophical question about letting everybody believe you know what they want to believe and such and then at the last panel is just like but yeah except that he's a senator right now we have members of the legislature that are that road cues coattails to the halls of power this is real stuff it's related to also just like you know the problem of cults in like you know spiritual communities and the psychedelic communities has been widespread and you end up with you know the situation with trump is this narcissistic leader

[\[08:13\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=493s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Who is kind of bumbling the way that people would read you know deep significance into things like kaffe you know his like his tweets and view him as this like 6d chess master where like everything he's doing has some payoff in the end where this you know the storm is coming and there's going to be this uprising and all the you know the satanic cabal is going to be purged from government like it made sense to people to think these things and so we're interested in looking at the way that castalia which we'll look at in a second specifically kind of uses these q ideas to you know push people in that direction from within the psychedelic community so yeah so I mean yeah q but q is is somebody's writing this right and there's been a lot of speculation as to you know who is q is it donald trump's like second cousin like is it donald trump himself like

[\[09:15\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=555s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Is it a high level general well what we know from like actual journalism done by bellingcat and some other actors you know there are connections between the current administrator of eight \[expletive\] and one jim watkins and q drops so q drops is is one of the main outlets for you know these queue communiques and you know websites have owners and q drops is hosted by jim watkins who also has a company called is it wet yet he's like been on the internet for a long long time he's a domain squatter and owns a lot of like porn urls but bellingcat you know

[\[10:18\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=618s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Got an exploit in their data in their servers and was able to demonstrate that the metadata from a year's worth of emails showed very close communication between a number of the you know the head communicators of queue and their websites and you know jim watkins's emails so so that there's some sorry go ahead norman no no I was going to say and so so jim watkins is who ended up like pushing out frederick brennan from 8-chan and 8-chan was initially like conceived of brennan through like a mushroom trip as well you know as like a free speech absolutist platform and I think that I don't know if it was in the reply all was was that the episode the reply all episode but I think brennan basically identified correct me if I'm wrong but basically

[\[11:19\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=679s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Identified watkins as q yeah yeah and the point that that gets brought up around q was that q was sort of part of a broader larp of security cleared anons right so if you're familiar with these chat boards at all anyone can pop up with whatever sort of name and there was like people playing this game of being part of the deep state but on the message board so it was like hi I'm you know five-star general and on hi I'm like you know whatever deep state it's the anonymous right exactly and then suddenly like q anon appeared right making I think a reference to it's like a department of energy security clearance that supposedly has something to do with nuclear weapons blah blah blah but there was a bunch of issues where the account was fumbled where the account password was was guessed by numerous people and if you look at the lineage it looks like various people had control of the queue account at different times there was one particularly we could say notorious or infamous case where it looks like

[\[12:19\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=739s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) At that moment watkins may have been able to get actual control of the account and there were brennan was aware of internal conversations between him and his son about sort of what sort of political maneuvers could be made with somebody positioned to do that sort of propaganda through an account that had that sort of reach and so you see these sort of developments along the history of this message board figure that allowed it to perpetuate messages along the lines of game design right along the lines of sort of choose your own adventure and yeah go ahead pace I just wanted to like you know jump in real quick and mention that you know the reason why we're talking about like frederick brennan and the history of eight \[expletive\] and eight chan and these anonymous message boards you're talking about is is that this is where q came from and ultimately all of this is you know part of a background for this weird material that we've

[\[13:19\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=799s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Come across and that you know it's continuous it swims in this ocean that we're trying to describe just to situate people somewhere along the depths of the rabbit hole that we've fallen down I mean like it's pretty simple like the guy be like look the reality is is that he so just this is for people don't know this is the bullhorn yeah the you know the guy that left the pence no on the with the face paint and the spear the loud voice that guy who made himself a fixture at a number of protests including climate protests and blm protests on the side of defending the police as far as we can tell angeli's earliest on record public activism committed to prince was

[\[14:20\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=860s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) You know advocating for a neo-shamanic psychedelic panacea of view of you know the world the world's problems fixing it all if only you know trump and all of us took mushrooms like all the problems would we all hug we'd hug it out we'd hug you know and I think we kind of know what happened then he's currently incarcerated at this point I think he's facing 30 years but it's hard to not note that you know the guy went from psychedelic advocacy down when the k hole it was a q hole I don't feel good I don't feel good about calling that advocacy but you know look it takes all kinds yeah and it feels worth pointing out and we discussed this at length on the coup at the capitol episode so check that out but

[\[15:20\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=920s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) It's worth noting that like a lot of his talks and ideas are not foreign to this space I mean these are the kind of things if you go if you went to festivals before the pandemic made that a non thing but if you went through festivals you would find numerous people giving the types of talks that he had listed on his facebook wall that are listed on his rumble that are listed sort of throughout his social media presence and the fact that these ideas sort of run in the same spheres I mean this is a thing that we see with fascism more generally when we look at sort of the its allergy to fact or its willingness to create alternative realities right because in those spaces you can sort of pedal the type of conspiracy theories that allow you to demonize particular groups or assert your own might makes right sort of view of the world and this is something you know russ just put out a great rundown of some of the iconography on

[\[16:20\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=980s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Angeli's body and the sort of appropriated norse or pagan and heathen imagery and the fact that that gets used to serve as talia lavin has pointed out it serves this mythologized notion of some you know white history and if we again and we've talked about it here before like understanding that whiteness was a construct that was put in place in the colonies in order to prop up capitalism in order to break solidarity between africans and indentured europeans and indigenous populations that had every sort of reason to work together against the white land-owning class of colonists right but that by using this sort of carrot and stick and new legal framework of whiteness in order to break some of that solidarity up whiteness is a fairly recent construct within human history so creating this notion of a mythologized

[\[17:21\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=1041s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) White past to harken back to you know to sort of serve up in the memory as a thing to push for right on this sort of united white front it's important to recognize the markers that we see around that and to see that that psychedelic spaces and alternative health framework spaces and crystal healing and you know q anon like these things do run together and have run together for quite some time yeah we discussed it with alan piper as the cultic malou so everything from ufos to you know conspiracy theories about seven foot tall shape-shifting lizard royalty people who feed on fear you know to crystals you know all of this kind of stuff there's not like a big criteria for entry and it's like syncretic religion which is actually super

[\[18:22\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyerdj0OmY&t=1102s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Common in like the psychedelic tradition at as is like so you look at santo damie you look at you know modern mazda tech practices with psilocybin you look at the boutique in gabon the native american church it's a hodgepodge and so it's continuous with some of the things that we're seeing in any case that that actually kind of brings us to cue you know you