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# Psymposia Aesthetics: Volume #1
- URL: https://ghost.psymposia.com/psymposia-aesthetics-volume-1/
- Published: 2026-10-13T12:00:23.000Z
- Updated: 2026-10-13T12:16:04.000Z
- Description: This video originally aired on our Patreon. You can find us there at www.patreon.com/psymposia
- Author: Mike Elliott
- Tags: Videos, #youtube, #youtube-transcript

This video originally aired on our Patreon. You can find us there at www.patreon.com/psymposia

Russell, Normie, and Neşe discuss some of their favorite works of psychedelic art — from visionary painters, to \[adult swim\] classics, to music and movies.

## Transcript

*This transcript was generated automatically from YouTube's captions, then cleaned up by removing filler words, repeated words and background sounds. It may still contain errors.*

[\[00:00\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=0s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Hey there, this is Russell with Psymposia. This month we wanted to break some of our Patreon content out from behind the payw wall. If you weren't aware, most of our main feed episodes have somewhere between 15 minutes and an hour's worth of content tacked on to the end of them on our Patreon page. Sometimes this is going over psychedelic art that we're interested in. Sometimes it's looking at clips that didn't make it into the full episode. Other times we try out video games like Timothy Lir's video game from the8s. We'll be bringing some of those videos to you over the next month or so. We're starting out here with the first Psymposia aesthetics video that we did, just going over some psychedelic art that inspired us over the years.

[\[00:50\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=50s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) If you're interested in that content or receiving our general content earlier than everyone else or receiving exclusive merch, getting access to group chats, whatever, you can check us out on patreon.com. That's patreon.com/psymposia. You can join either at the $5 or $10 a month level there. Before we move on to the patreon content, I wanted to take a minute and shout out some of our long-term supporters from Patreon. For the sake of everyone's privacy, if you don't have kind of a bespoke username, I'm just going to be using your first name and last initial. So we'll go through 10 of our longestterm supporters here. Peak Moment I think is a supporter since 2016\. Got Sarah J. Manny B, Brady A.

[\[01:37\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=97s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Mocha, James N. Ben L. Zack D, Elizabeth B, and Martin L. Appreciate your support. Thanks for sticking around for so long. Couldn't do this without you. And now we'll bring you the first volume of our aesthetics series where Nishay Normmy and I went through some of our psychedelic aesthetic, artistic, musical, movie inspirations. That we wanted to share with our audience. Enjoy. Welcome back Patreon members. We are here with myself, Nishay and Normmy right now to discuss some topics in psychedelics and art and some of our preferences and thoughts around those topics. Nay and Normie, thanks for hanging out with me after the show recording here. Do either of you want to kick it off with your thoughts or do you have any favorite psychedelic artists or thoughts about how psychedelics have made you think about art or that you feel that psychedelics have influenced art? when you mentioned wanting to talk about this, the first thing that came to mind was a painting

[\[02:39\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=159s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) By the late Adam Scott Miller called The Epiphany of Sophia that I really like. And I specifically well I just as some background context in 2024 in the summer or was like towards the end of the spring semester I think there was a workshop a semantics did a psychedelic kind of poetics workshop in Mexico and the organizers of it asked us to send an image or artwork that was significant to us along with a picture of us. They ended up making this really cool like almost like a tarot deck out of like everyone's pictures that they had sent in. And so and I didn't they didn't tell us what they were going to do.

[\[03:26\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=206s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) So it was just kind of this like magical little object that they created for all of us and gave it gave them out to everyone who came. And so here's an example of like well here's the back of the card I'll show. They made it, designed the back of it and then the front, this is the picture I had sent in that they turned into the first card, but then the image I sent, which is one of my favorite psychedelic paintings, they turned into this card. So, it's that painting in the middle and they put an R over it cuz all of the cards have like letters and numbers on them. So the R is not part of the original, but and maybe we could like cut in the picture of it, you know, when we're editing or you're editing \[laughter\] so they can see a picture of it that is like not the card version. But I fell in love with that picture in part because it was during a period of time where I was really enamored with DMT in particular.

[\[04:19\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=259s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) And I had had a really impactful DMT experience where I like burst into this like out of all these dimensions into this kind of like clearing and it looked exactly like that painting. It happened before I ever saw the painting. So when I came across the painting, I was like, "Wait a minute, that looks exactly like that experience that I had." And one of the things I thought was really interesting about this is that I a little while later ran into the artist was doing like a talk and I think some like workshops or something at Kaza, Alex Gay's place. This is before I was aware of all of the sus stuff about Alex Gray.

[\[05:05\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=305s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) I went there and spoke to the artist Adam Scott Miller and I mentioned that I had had this experience that looked just like the painting and he responded that that he said that was really interesting because of all of the paintings he'd ever made. He said that that one was the one that he felt like he didn't actually come up with it. He said he also had experienced it and he didn't and he hadn't said that before I shared that I had seen the same thing. he also had seen it and then tried to paint it which I've just found \[laughter\] very very fascinating. Is Adam Scott Miller still like a contemporary artist? Is he still producing work? Unfortunately, he passed away. I think in the last year or so which is very sad cuz he was part of the original kind of when I first got in the field there was this kind of like codery of visionary artists like painters that would be involved you know kind of paint at Burning Man and also come to like psychedelic conferences or kind of in

[\[06:06\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=366s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) That cultural network and he was kind of in that crew. So, so sort of like with Amanda Sage and some other figures. But either way, I mean that that that painting was just really it kind of brought me back to that that perspective, that space and kind of like it felt like it channeled kind of the energy of that psychedelic state. Yeah. I feel like the like visionary art scene or kind of like that description of like an art scene has gotten unfortunately like kind of co-opted into the medicalization space, but I feel like it was one of the places that I was really dipping my toe into psychedelia in the first place was that kind of cosm orbit of visionary artists.

[\[06:55\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=415s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) And yeah, obviously the Alex Gay disclaimer you have to give nowadays of stuff has come out about him having sexual activity with a corpse, which is a really unfortunate bullet point in his history because that was also an artist that really got me into psychedelic art and visionary art in general. But that whole scene I found very interesting when I was first getting into psychedelic art. Yeah. Big time. Yeah. Again, I ended up writing kind of about some psychedelic art in that scene when I first worked for reality sandwich. It kind of covered it a bit as like the aesthetic dimension of psychedelics was connected to sort of my graduate school interest as well. One artist that I haven't seen like come up in a lot of visionary art discussions, but who I just randomly happened to walk into a gallery one time, I think in North Carolina, was this woman named FlamGu.

[\[07:53\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=473s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) It's like F L A MG Gu. I'll share the website here on the page. I always thought her work was pretty cool. This kind of like cool an anatomical work. I had a sticker of that one on my notebook for a while. I thought it was really neat. Wow. Those make for a cool print on a wall, right? Yeah, she's cool. Big frizzy hair like just walked into the gallery and I was like, "Holy crap, what is all this? This is cool." Just talking about this, I remembered that back when I was in the height of my interest in that scene, I created this album on Facebook with some of my favorite examples of visionary art as I kind of like understood it at the time.

[\[08:38\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=518s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) So, if we can just like there are a bunch of Alex Gay pictures in here, but if we could just kind of do a quick scroll of that, I think it could give kind of a good indication of some of what this entailed. This was the first one in the folder, so I just kind of it but scrolling around. Are these the Adam Scott Miller ones? Those ones are. Yeah. And these ones, if you go back, I loved this artist. She did like clay. So, yeah, but there's stuff that I and I think it's listed. I forget what her name is. It should be listed there. Cool because we should probably Meredith Dmire. Yeah, Meredith Dmar. I loved it cuz it again it reminded me of stuff that I felt like I saw in DMT with like this like geometric sort of entities and I just thought it was amazing to see like a clay kind of version of it.

[\[09:29\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=569s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Yeah, those are super cool. I love that splitting apart kind of Oh, there's another one. Yeah, that's awesome. Oh, wow. She does a ton these like little diaramas. Yes. Yeah. So, the physically Yeah. So obviously like a ton of time put into it. This is Amanda Sage who I was mentioning. Nice. Gorgeous. What medium does Amanda Sage work in? Do you know? She is like paint. I forget. There's a specific school of like European style like illumination. I forget the name of it, but she was trained under some kind of like master painter and she now does courses like workshops to teach that style of painting. And this is the Michael what's it Michaeline?

[\[10:15\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=615s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Yeah, Michael Divine is another kind of big figure in that scene. Oh yeah, those like big straight lines through the pieces like that. And very very detailed a lot of his paintings as well. Yeah. Is that one also a Michael? Yeah, Michael Divine. Yeah. Got kind of the Alex Grey eyes going on throughout that piece at the top there. Yeah, there's something about this one that reminds you of Samurai Jack, too. I don't know if you're familiar with any of the imagery from that cartoon. Kind of neat. But I was thinking maybe if you don't want to go manually through, you could just go to the album view and like scroll down it. Yeah.

[\[11:03\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=663s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Oh, little cats. Yeah, that's the It's a cool album. Yeah, the cats are the Louiswis Wayne, whatever his name was. I don't know. Maybe if you click on it, could you see the name of it? But he was he had like Yeah. Louis Wayne. Yeah. So he had I think schizophrenia and so like he drew cats and some of them were like kind of looked like regular cats and then over time like these types of like paisleyish cats started he started drawing and I just think they're gorgeous. Yeah, totally. And he was 1860 to 1939\. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So, it's like kind of like a style that still gets replicated today, it seems like. Yeah, very much so. And oh, can you click on those ones that are right before Lewis Wayne? I forget that guy's name.

[\[11:49\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=709s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) He's this visionary type artist. The ones that are like kind of like these. Yeah. Those esoteric does it have his name listed there? It does. It's got Paul Lafley. Yeah. So he just had this like these very almost like esoteric knowledge systems that he would diagram in these like very detailed like maps and relationships. And so I just found that really fascinating. So I when I assembled this I forget what year I made this album, but I was very much like in the weeds of like kind of try to curate what this sort of like an aesthetic style that's kind of representing aspects of the psychedelic experience. I was really interested in that. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[\[12:35\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=755s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) These are gorgeous. That's a cool one. Seahorses. Who is that? R. C. R. Casillus. And I like the Mandler set and those ones on the bottom right. I was, you know, really into fractals, especially at that time. I mean, I love fractals still. \[laughter\] Who am I kidding? I love fractals. the fractals that I I'm into is like, you know, Islamic art and which I just find to be so precise and accurate. That's the kind of art that's resonated with me that comes across as like what's the major like mosque that gets referenced a lot around that?

[\[13:20\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=800s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) I know. I'm not sure. It comes up all the time. The Nir Al. Oh, wow. That's like next level. Yeah. All that tile work on the ceiling, too. Yeah. It's out of control. The light playing through those windows. That's incredible. I just checked the date for that album that I made. It was in 2010\. So, that was the year that I started working in the field. 16 years ago now. Oh, cool. That's awesome. A couple of ones I wanted to highlight while we're talking about psychedelic artists were I wanted to throw back to an interview I did I think a little bit earlier this year or maybe at the end of last year with an author named Bitter Carella who makes these books.

[\[14:16\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=856s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Their debut was a book called Moonflow and we talked a little bit about the cover of that one because I thought it was so cool. It's Lisa Marie Pompilio. She is kind of one of the in-house cover designers for Orbit Run for It, and she just did an amazing job with this. Honestly, when I you know, when I gave this book to them, I kind of thought like this is there's no way they can do a cover for this book. There's no way that anything is going to work. It's a little bit weird. But yeah, the cover is very they really got the vibe I wanted. I really wanted this to feel like a 70s kind of psychedelic black light poster. And yeah, it looks like it should glow under the correct circumstances.

[\[15:05\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=905s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) And it actually does. I've tried it. I have a black light. So, but this was the debut novel, Moonflow, and it had it was kind of all about like a mushroom cult. And when I was discussing it with them, they were saying like when they pitched it to the publisher, they were like, I want it to be like this kind of like it was a black light poster basically. And then Bitter Carella's got another book coming out in October called Quaint Folk that's got another really cool kind of psychedelic blacklight poster vibe to it. And I've just been loving having these books on my shelf lately. I think there's some of the cooler psychedelic imagery I've seen in a while. You've got like the green man on this one at the top there. These kind of cool art nuvo like psychedelic poster vibes to it.

[\[15:54\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=954s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) I really like those. And then the other kind of space I wanted to highlight as a weird place that I found a lot of inspiration in psychedelic art was Adult Swim. I don't know if either of you were big Adult Swim watchers as kids or even still today. I still watch some Adult Swim stuff. But they have kind of ushered in a lot of artists and creatives into like the visual art space, the musical art space that I think represent sort of like a modern psychedelic art movement in a way. So like they produced the music video for like Dan Deakons when I was done dying.

[\[16:40\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=1000s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) So you've got like the kind of imagery in this music video here. Just like 20 seconds of it. Always loved that music video. And then kind of on that same vibe, they did Flying Lotus' music video for Zodiac \[expletive\] if you're familiar with that. Flying Lotus was one of like the trippiest concerts I'd ever been to in my life. He did like a 3D concert tour where you would like go and listen to his music and everyone wore 3D glasses and he had like this crazy imagery on the screen and was very cool.

[\[17:34\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=1054s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) It was also the most people I've ever seen collapse in a concert setting and have to be like taken to the back of a concert venue. But they produced the music video for Zodiac \[expletive\] and it kind of has that same vibe of like these transforming and like psychedelic imagery. Just awesome. It reminds me of It reminds me of like old school Sesame Street. Yeah, \[laughter\] definitely some of my favorite psychedelic type stuff, the numbers and all that \[expletive\] 10 9 8 Those are great.

[\[18:34\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=1114s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Little six-year-old me watching that. \[laughter\] just getting into it. The other Adult Swim artist I wanted to highlight too was this pixel artist that they It's funny a lot of their like coolest psychedelic stuff has come out of like interstitials like between shows and they employ this pixel artist named Paul Robertson who does these really cool psychedelic like kind of creepy pixel art going on with all of their characters and stuff. He's been one of my favorite pixels. This is so you \[laughter\] \[expletive\] love Paul Robertson. I don't know. They've got like this psychedelic aesthetic that is kind of like disturbed in a way that I appreciate a lot from them.

[\[19:27\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=1167s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) But those were the two I wanted to highlight. Normie, what's your take on psychedelic art? I did send you one of one artist that I do like I think he I think we met him doing early events in New York, Colin Prowl. He has some really intricate like fine like really super detailed stuff that's pretty cool. Some of it's a little like visionaryish but not it's a very different style. It's more kind of digitally looking, I guess you could say. Oh, these are cool. Go to the like the inside of a cell or something. He does like inside a cell or like a motherboard or stuff like that.

[\[20:13\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=1213s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) And then there's some that are just very simple but not simple. Like go to chro chrominance. You scroll down a little bit, you'll see that one. that one right there. Oh, that's really cool. That's kind of like looking at the art that inspired me to kind of want to chat about this more was the Cleo McKenna artwork that was like those cameraless pictures of like the insides of trees and stuff like that. It kind of looks like this but on like a metallic level. Yeah. or go to the color generator one to towards the bottom of the page. You can click that image and if you zoom in it's insanely intricate.

[\[21:07\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=1267s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Yeah, it's like a big old city or something in there. And I kind of just generally like 60s 60s like psychedelic art. I think it's pretty cool. And you're pretty into like music like tulle and stuff, right? That's like kind of like adjacent to psychedelic. Yeah. I mean, yeah. With Lateralis is when they first worked with Alex Gray and that kind of blew up Alex Gray in 200 2001 I want to say and their three albums since then. And a lot of their a lot of their live shows is is kind of heavily Alex Gray type stuff at this point.

[\[21:55\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=1315s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) I think they might get a residency. The rumor is that they're getting a residency at the sphere next year. I don't know if that's going to happen, but if they do, I think it's probably going to be very heavily Alex Gray in the sphere, which I'm guessing they have to make that kind of from scratch. I was thinking about film and this film Sans Sole by Chris Marker I think it's from like 1980 or something like that. I saw it in college. Someone showed it to me in undergrad and I I'm pretty sure yeah I had watched it on acid at one point and it really like changed my life. Like I was just so impacted by it. And in part, so it's a it's the film is like technically a documentary, but it's a kind of a poetic meditation on the nature of memory.

[\[22:51\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=1371s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) And so in this clip that I showed, which is like towards the end of the film, there's a lot of references to images that had appeared earlier in the context of the film that are all coming together. And so it's like by watching the film and experiencing now the like recurring symbols, it's like the film's able to communicate without saying things directly based on the context that the film itself has constructed for the viewer. So it's like extremely trippy. Yeah, super trippy. I'll play a little excerpt of it here real quick. And then in its turn, the journey entered the zone. Ray Yao showed me my images already affected by the mass of time. Freed of the lie that had prolonged the existence of those moments swallowed by the spiral.

[\[23:54\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=1434s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) When spring came, when every crow announced its arrival by raising his cry half a tone, I took the green train of the Yamanote line and got off at Tokyo station near the central post office. Even if the street was empty, I waited at the red light Japanese style so as to leave space for the spirits of the broken cause. Even if I was expecting no letter, I stopped at the general delivery window, for one must honor the spirits of torn up letters, and at the air mail counter to salute the spirits of unmiled letters. I took the measure of the unbearable vanity of the West that has never ceased to privilege being over non-being, what is spoken to what is left unsaid. I walked alongside the little stalls of clothing dealers. I heard in the distance Mr.

[\[24:40\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=1480s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Aka's voice reverberating from the loudspeakers a half tone higher. Then I went down into the basement where my friend, the maniac, busies himself with his electronic graffiti. Finally, his language touches me because he talks to that part of his which insists on drawing profiles on prison walls. A piece of chalk to follow the contours of what is not or is no longer or is not yet. the handwriting each one of us will use to compose his own list of things that quicken the heart to offer it to a race. In that moment, poetry will be made by everyone and there will be emus in the zone. So, I am probably going to be writing about this in my book project cuz like every reference that she was referring to emerged from another context in the film.

[\[25:34\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=1534s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) So, it's like the re the viewer has developed a vocabulary by this point where all of those references mean something and they're all coming together to point to this kind of poetic use of language art to get to pierce through the hegemonic kind of stories that we are kind of indoctrinated within. And it just like it describes that that way of re relating to memory and to language. So I just find it fascinating because it it's like such a self-actualized kind of a performance of the themes that it's discussing and I think that those themes are really important for more people to learn as if we have any hope of like getting beyond the capitalist hellscape that we're currently in.

[\[26:22\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=1582s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Yeah, that was a really cool poll. I was watching it. But I wanted to know too like just how the imagery was being made and like manipulated and knowing like modern video. That's part of the film too. It talks about it. So it's like the film the actual video is like recorded by the filmmaker Chris Marker as he's traveling around the world. He goes to different countries but then he runs it through like a synthesizer and he shows how it's working. And so by stripping away the recognizable images that like fit with a specific story, it's like giving us access to something that's beyond those stories that could be used to communicate something deeper. So when they're saying the unbearable vanity of the west to, you know, prioritize what is spoken over what is left unsaid, it's through what's left unsaid that like through the gaps in the dominant narrative that we're actually able to kind of like emerge into a different order of meaning essentially.

[\[27:21\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=1641s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Neat, neat. Yeah, thanks for sharing that one. I have no familiarity with that at all. You should definitely watch the whole thing. It's really good. I'd like to plug the title for me one more time here. It's sle so it means sunless in French. There's a few things that I kind of like when I met people in college. If I like I really like liked you know someone or like I wanted to like you know as a friend like wanted to kind of become friends with them there were a few things that I would like show people like Sans Sole was one of them and then there was a fractal documentary that that I showed everyone that's also on YouTube. And so I was thinking maybe down the road we could have like a live stream with like Patreon or something like watching some of these kind of special interest psych \[laughter\] psychedelic films.

[\[28:06\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=1686s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) I love that and then talking about them. Yeah, that'd be really cool. Little movie nights. Yeah, you're kind of broadening it out here with doing video art. Well, film broadening it out into like just cool psychedelicy things. I think art is like very capacious framework. Yeah. But are we doing are we going out to like sound? Sure. Yeah. I mentioned music, right? This is this was far out when altered. Very far out to me. For any cigaros fans out there, this documentary is super cool. Is that him? \[laughter\] This is a stone mima.

[\[28:52\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=1732s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) It's pieces of like I don't know if it's slate. Wow. Or something like that. It's super cool though when they start going. You happen to be laying on a couch and you have five grams and this just starts coming on. Pretty That's pretty far out. Just like a really pleasant cool. Yeah. It's very wholesome and sad. \[laughter\] Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I just remember on one of my mushroom trips, this was on on TV and they're like walking around. They walk around like the hills and it was the sound of rocks and like these natural sounds that were really profound. Yeah, they're a cool band.

[\[29:38\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=1778s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) I mean, another kind of psychedelic concept that I've heard come up with them is that kind of glosselia like concept. Like, don't they sing in kind of a language? He doesn't have lyrics. It's his own language system. That's my I maybe there might be a few like real words, but it's a madeup I think it's like a I don't even know. It's a madeup when you're listening to it, you have to in your head, you have to like sing the gibberish that he's \[laughter\] Yeah. that he's doing. You know, on the first three cigaras albums, Jonesy sang most songs in Icelandic, but two of them, Vaughn and Olsson Olsen, were sung in Hopelandic. All the vocals are in Hopelandic. Hopelandic is the invented language in which Jonesy sings before lyrics are written to the vocals.

[\[30:27\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxECKLj05DM&t=1827s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) It's not an actual language, but a definite by definition, but rather a form of gibberish vocals that fit to the music and act as another instrument. Jonesy li likens it to what singers sometimes do when they've decided on the melody but haven't written the lyrics yet. Nice. That's like a cool thing about cigaros. Yeah. Thanks for indulging my questions about psychedelic art and kind of the inspirations and interests we all have. I hope to get the rest of the team on sometime to give some of their favorites as well. But it was awesome to hear from you all and we can do this again sometime as we remember things coming up.