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# Psychedelic Funders in the Epstein Files
- URL: https://ghost.psymposia.com/psychedelic-funders-in-the-epstein-files/
- Published: 2026-02-10T23:50:06.000Z
- Updated: 2026-09-29T01:01:59.000Z
- Description: Psymposia discusses notable psychedelic figures who have turned up in the Epstein files — including major funders and investors Austin Hearst, Steve Jurvetson, and Kimbal Musk.
- Author: Mike Elliott
- Tags: Videos, #youtube, #youtube-transcript

Psymposia discusses notable psychedelic figures who have turned up in the Epstein files — including major funders and investors Austin Hearst, Steve Jurvetson, and Kimbal Musk.

02:31: Austin Hearst  
10:18: Steve Jurvetson  
15:00: Kimbal Musk  
22:58: Deepak Copra / Ken Jordan / Alchemist Kitchen

Footnotes:

1) The Psychedelic Syndicate (Psymposia): www.psymposia.com/psychedelic-syndicate-executive-summary-silicon-valley-maps-lykos-mdma-fda-billionaires/

2) Open Letter to the Burning Man Project about Kimbal Musk: www.removekimbal.org/

3) Elon’s bro quits Burning Man board amid outrage over Epstein connection (San Fransisco Standard): www.sfstandard.com/2026/02/04/kimbal-musk-burning-man-board-of-directors/

4) Epstein engineered intimate relationship for Tesla’s Kimbal Musk, emails show (The Guardian) [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/10/jeffrey-epstein-tesla-kimbal-musk](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/10/jeffrey-epstein-tesla-kimbal-musk?ref=ghost.psymposia.com)

5) 2015 email from Jeffrey Epstein writing “I gave another girl to Kimball and he is thrilled.” [https://x.com/theepsteinfiles/status/2021363329864958361?s=46&t=z\_Gf2ge-YSkMYWqWbPaqjw](https://x.com/theepsteinfiles/status/2021363329864958361?s=46&t=z%5FGf2ge-YSkMYWqWbPaqjw&ref=ghost.psymposia.com)

## Transcript

*This transcript was generated automatically from YouTube's captions, then cleaned up by removing filler words, repeated words and background sounds. It may still contain errors.*

[\[00:00\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=0s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) And I think it's just interesting because it shows how people were like pitched to Jeffrey Epstein. So this person wrote, "My ex Austin Hurst wants to come. He's in his mid-50s, just moved back from Argentina and getting his fourth divorce on the board of Hurst. His older brother is William Randph Hurst III. His father was William Randolph Jr. and his grandfather was the chief as in citizen can. I want to talk to you about today's sponsor or the fact that we don't have one. We're supported by people like you and if you like what we produce, you can go find us on Patreon. Hey, I'm Russell with Psymposia. I'm here today with Normie and Pace.

[\[00:46\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=46s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) We wanted to come on and discuss some recent discoveries that have come up as the Epstein files have been dropping. The psychedelic industry has a few major investors whose names have been cropping up in the files. So, we wanted to kind of come on today and summarize everything that's been put out in public so far. We'll be talking through a couple major investors and then a couple other just notable characters or people who have come up through the psychedelic industry in those files. I think it's important to mention that one of the reasons why this is important apart from these people investing significant funds into you know the hope of some kind of industry for psychedelics is that we were already aware of the influence of these individuals on industry through their deep pockets.

[\[01:37\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=97s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) We wrote about it in the psychedelic syndicate. So seeing them in the Epstein files, you know, is certainly interesting given that we were already interested in their activities. Yeah. Notably, not all of these emails and things in the files are going to denote crimes done by these people or anything like that, but we just wanted to highlight some of these connections between these powerful people and Jeffrey Epstein and some of the more interesting back and forths between them. I will say off the top too, one person who's not going to come up but who's a big investor in the psychedelic space is Peter Teal. We're not going to go through all of the hits in the files on Peter Teal. I think he's plenty relevant in other industries to the point that he'll get u his own sort of dissection in a lot of other places.

[\[02:24\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=144s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Yeah, I've already heard some other commentators talking about Teal's frequent appearance in the Epstein files. So if you're wondering why we're not talking about it, it's there's it's better covered elsewhere. also more relevant to other industries that teal is exerting influence on today. A kind of starting jumping off point for looking into this stuff was our psychedelic syndicate reporting. Like Pace said, we spent a year looking at how the money's flowing in the psychedelic industry. So, we were already very familiar with some of these names. The first one I guess I want to bring up is somebody who we recently put out a post about Austin Hurst. He comes up in our psychedelic syndicate reporting. What can you guys tell me about Austin Hurst? What do you guys remember from when we were reporting about him? I mean, his generational wealth. I mean, this is the what the William Randolph Hurst fortune.

[\[03:11\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=191s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) We're talking about a major silver spoon that this individual had all through their life, you know. So, what does he put that money towards in the psychedelic field? There was donations to psychedelic like therapy training schools. one in particular which would be CCM with Borzot and Grossbard. So the center for consciousness medicine which has since disbanded but reopened as gather well with the daughter of grossbard and bors and notably with Hurst. there was financial support for CCM for consecutive years and then once Orzot and Grossbard were you know publicly outed as having a broad history of abuse with their therapeutic client sexual abuse.

[\[04:06\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=246s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) What was notable about the donations from, you know, the Hurst organization is that they actually increased after those allegations were made public in I think it was 2023, like a three-fold increase. They were giving to Francois, Borzot, and Grossmart School CCM. Like Pace said, there was a donation in 2020 for $100,000\. There was a donation in 2021 for an additional 50,000\. And then in 2022, another 100,000\. And then 2023, like Pace said, after these allegations had come out through a number of venues, including Power Trip, they donated $270,000 to the CCM. So that's over half a million dollars that Austin and Gabriella Hurst Foundation had given to CCM, which was Franuis Borzat's psychedelic training school.

[\[05:00\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=300s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) But I also do know that they were MAPS donors prior to Lyos going public. and Austin Hurst, we wrote in our psychedelic syndicate report, hosted Francois Borzat's book launch, which also helped raise $3.6 million for maps. And that was in the PS update newsletter that they would sent to members, right? Yeah, correct. deep deeply invested. Yeah. And again just to remind people the lawsuit against Borza and Grossbard has been around for something like 25 years at this point. We get our hands on it back in maybe 2019 or something like that. and it lists numerous allegations and pretty awful behaviors that any therapist looking at it would say this is some \[expletive\] up \[expletive\] going on here that's been floating out there for a long time now.

[\[05:54\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=354s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) So anybody that anybody that's had involvement with Borza is either completely unaware of this lawsuit or has chosen to not care about it essentially. Yeah. which directly ties into Hurst emails that come up in the Epstein files, which take place generally between 2010 and 2012\. There's like over 300 hits for his name when you search him in the files. Some of those are repeat emails. I just want to clarify, but a number of them are meeting schedules between the two of them. They're secretaries planning meetings for them. I've selected a couple of the more interesting emails to me. Before we get into that, what year was Epstein convicted? In 2008, Jeffrey Epstein was convicted of trafficking children and Austin Hurst was involved with setting up meetings and going back and forth with Epstein between 2010 and 2012.

[\[06:52\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=412s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) So, you can see here on screen there's a note from Larry to Larry Summers from Jeffrey Epstein talking about how they're coming to Harvard for the day. He's bringing Austin Hurst. Larry Summers. I don't know if anyone has a concise definition of who he was. It was Larry Summers is somebody who has had incredible influence over the Democratic Party. But you know, former US Secretary of the Treasury. Yeah. Under Clinton. Yeah. A power broker. Very thirsty power broker in his old age. Right. Paying attention to this stuff is is really difficult because there's a lot of salacious things. There's a lot of horrific things and yet there is a necessity to pay attention to the Epstein files because it seems to be one of these subterranean ways that the powerful are connected and organizing.

[\[07:49\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=469s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) It's a really rare window. And with regard to, you know, the things that we are interested in, we've spent a good amount of time paying attention to the inordinate influence that, you know, high netw worth individuals have had on the shaping of psychedelic research, the various institutions that have popped up over the last decade. And then this is what they're doing when they're not doing that. So, what else do you have from him, Ross? The one on the bottom here is sort of innocuous, but just shows that they were hanging out. We've got a Jeffrey Epstein saying, "Great fun. Let's do it again sometime." Austin Hurst responding indeed. Let's figure out something fun. Have a restful holiday. I'm going to pull up the next ones here. The one on the bottom I'll touch on first just cuz it's just another note of them going to Harvard.

[\[08:37\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=517s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) That's sort of that same connection with Larry Summers. You can see they're corresponding and taking trips together. And then the one on the top here, I think there's something particularly interesting about this one, which is that the source is blanked out. So, I'm not entirely sure who's writing this, but this is in 2010\. It appears to be one of the first sort of connecting emails for Austin Hurst and Jeffrey Epstein. And it's someone saying they want Austin to come along on a trip with them or something along those lines. And I think it's just interesting because it to me shows how people were like pitched to Jeffrey Epstein. So this person wrote, "My ex Austin Hurst wants to come. He's in his mid-50s, just moved back from Argentina and getting his fourth divorce on the board of Hurst.

[\[09:26\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=566s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) His older brother is William Randph Hurst III. His father was William Randolph Jr. and his grandfather was the chief, as in citizen can. He is on the Forbes 500 or 100, whatever list. and he climbs mountains and supports the Dollaly Lama, too. He is cool and very fun. Grandfather had five sons. His father had two sons. Austin is worth half of a fifth of the entire Hurst estate, where Patty and Anne, two other Hursts, are worth a fifth of a fifth because they are one of five sisters. So to me, I just think that's a an interesting conversation to see happening where these people are being pitched to Jeffrey Epstein based on their kind of net worth and yeah, who whoever that is is like you need to pay attention to this person.

[\[10:14\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=614s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) He is, you know, of significant wealth and this is his pedigree, you know. I found that one interesting. There's other, like I said, kind of corresponding emails between the two of them and their secretaries and whatnot between 2010 and 2012\. It seems there's not a whole lot after that, at least in the current drop of the files. The next person we could probably talk about is Steve Jervson. He comes up a lot in our psychedelic syndicate reporting and his relevance, I think, to the psychedelic space is pretty monumental. Does anyone want to jump in as far as like what they can remember as far as a highlight reel on who Steve Jervson is and his relationship with the psychedelic industry?

[\[11:00\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=660s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) He's a big funer. He's been pretty influential behind the scenes. He's come at us quite hard. He's spread a bunch of disinformation about us. He's one of Elon's best friends. He's been at SpaceX and Tesla. He's kind of a burner. His wife is Genevie Jervson. and she's come at us very hard. She is on the board of PSFC whereas Austin was a donor to PF PSFC. Yeah. They they've invested into a Thai. They they're just influential billionaires. I think it's important to mention as well that you know as is detailed in the psychedelic syndicate that you know the Jervitzson's were doing a lot of moving and shaking you know post FDA adcom vote and FDA ruling to find another route for approval whether it was the sort of attending the MA make America healthy again Robert Kennedy Jr.

[\[12:02\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=722s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Ball at that high level of sort of direct lobbying of the executive branch to you know deep involvement in the damage control that we detail in the syndicate. Yep. Yeah. I was going to I definitely wanted to bring up their lobbying in those sort of maja spaces. They've got like a very great slideshow of you know Steve Jervson in front of the Trump picture after he was shot at. Another note on them is what we wrote about him in the psychedelic syndicate. We had found reporting in a book called Brotopia on Steve Jervson related to his firm that he helped co-ound, Draper Fisher Jervson. He founded this firm and was eventually removed from it because of reports of a party that he had at his house in which a woman was allegedly abused after being given MDMA. is just an interesting note considering what comes up in the Epstein files on on Steve Jervson.

[\[13:01\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=781s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) I'll pull up the little note from an FBI memo in which he's mentioned. So what comes up is this guy whose last name is Creer. He was part of the California based like high-end high initiation fee sex and swingers club called Sanctum. And it says he collected information on members of Sanctum for the purpose of blackmail similar to Jeffrey Epstein. career actively blackmailed fellow DJF Capital managing partner Steve Jervson. What is this little snippet actually from? So this is from an FBI memo. Someone who's reported a bit on it was Jack Gorsine. The report is more specifically related to Draper Fisher Jervson Capital. It goes on to discuss someone named Masha Drovka who was a Russian national who gained international notoriety as a teenager for her leadership role in a pro- Kremlin youth movement.

[\[13:55\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=835s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) The memo notes that she was famously photographed kissing Russian President Vladimir Putin and then went on to work for Draperfisher Jervson. So the report is looking at connections like that and people who have been involved with Draperfisher Jervson. This is sort of a side note that comes up during that report. When you're subject to blackmail, somebody is holding something that you don't want out public over your head for some kind of, you know, favor or monetary gain. We have no idea what that was, but it seemed to be pertinent that there was some hit when this report was compiled. Yeah. and it just kind of shows the circles that he runs in and the sort of parties that he attends.

[\[14:42\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=882s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) I think it's more of just a snapshot than anything into the life of a SpaceX board member there. Just jumping in here in post with an update from February 9th that Jack Gorsine added to his reporting essentially saying here that Steve Jervson responded to say that he denies being involved with Sanctum that he never had any contact with Jeffrey Epstein or Masha Draova and that the FBI memo was part of an enterprise vetting center effort as part of the arms reach program for those who might be within arms reach of the president of the United States. I think probably the next person to talk about is Musk's own older brother, Kimble. He comes up kind of a whole lot in the more recent drop of the Epstein files.

[\[15:28\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=928s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) And this isn't the first time that Kimell Musk and Epstein's name has been publicly linked through, you know, strong evidence. And Kimal Musk, as far as the psychedelic industry goes, is he's Elon Musk's older brother. He sits on the boards of Tesla and SpaceX and he up until recently was a board member of the Burning Man project. He's been involved with Burning Man for a long time. He was also a series his fund it's called the Flourish Trust. They're also a series A investor in Lyos. Cristiana Musk is Kimbell's spouse. She wrote an op ed right before the final FDA decision on MDMA for PTSD with lyos.

[\[16:18\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=978s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Talking about, you know, her own account of sexual assault and abuse. and Kimell Musk's name comes up in the Epstein files I think more than once in reference to women that are potentially being trafficked. So yeah, that's the email I've got singled out here. And just as a final note at Chris, he and Cristiana's fund was also a major donor to major donor helping found the UC Berkeley Center for Science of Psychedelics and interdisiplinary critical inquiry. I'll pop that email up here. This is one that I've seen getting circulated a bit.

[\[17:03\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1023s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) If you kind of read it from top to bottom, it's how these ones are formatted. This person, Boris, is saying, "Thank you, Kimble. Just FYI, you better be nice to Jen. Jeffrey goes crazy when someone mistreats his girls/friend, so it better be very nice to her. And Jeffrey and I better have special treatment at your ceremony. To which Kimell Musk responds, Jeffrey, message received. Wide and clear. Winky face. Seriously, I am very happy with my time so far with Jennifer. She's great. This his kind of recent appearances in these files has gotten some traction with the Burning Man community. I know Pace brought that to our attention the other day. Yeah, it was something that, you know, came across my surfing on the internet and was essentially a public petition put forth by the Burning Man community calling for some kind of response from the Burning Man organization.

[\[18:00\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1080s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Kimble Musk's seat on the board of Burning Man has been discussed, you know, among Burning Man circles for some time. It's not the most popular choice, but you know, there've been murmur murmurings about it. I, if I recall correctly, he was not listed on the website of Burning Man, which is a strange decision for, you know, such a prominent role of influence. But this was something that you know there was an open letter and a petition which you know I circulated and signed that essentially says you know one of the 10 principles of Burning Man is civic engagement and as a sort of outgrowth of those values. There's enough here to, you know, you don't have to hold someone to a standard of did they commit a like a sex crime and we can prove it.

[\[18:54\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1134s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) There are certain, you know, behaviors that can, you know, make a professional association no longer tenable. And so that's essentially the argument that they're making here is, you know, association with Epstein in this manner in a context that seems to involve, you know, sex trafficking or the procurement of women for sexual purposes. And you know, notably once again is occurring after Epstein has been outed for criminal behavior in this manner. They said this is not consistent with the stated values of the Burning Man organization or the culture. One of those, you know, sort of unspoken, unwritten, but broadly discussed 11th principles of Burning Man is is consent.

[\[19:42\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1182s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) This was something that was thrown up as a an expression of public outrage and was quickly signed by more than 500 people. And just today, we look up at the upper hand corner. There it is. San Francisco's Oh, he quit. Yeah, he quit. I didn't know that. I also was just informed very shortly ago by Russ. So, and Kimal Musk has since responded to his name coming up in the Epstein files. In a recent Twitter post, he wrote, "This post is related to the Epstein files and why my name is in them. In 2012, I started dating a woman who was 30 years old. I met her through a friend. Epstein did not introduce us.

[\[20:28\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1228s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) My only meeting with that demon was in his New York office during the day. I never met with him again, and I never went to his island. The reason he has so many emails from me is because he was subscribed to a newsletter I sent out to thousands of people every few weeks. My heart goes out to the many victims of Jeffrey Epstein, as it does for all who have suffered any kind of sexual harassment. Kimble. This is partially true. He does have a number of emails sent through his through a newsletter service. However, the claim that that's the only reason he's in there is a little bit shaky. When you search his name, you'll find a number of things including him saying, "Hey, fun time last night. Let Jeffrey and his friends know they're invited tomorrow night. Four seasons 7 p.m.

[\[21:14\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1274s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Black Tai arrive no later than 8:00 PM." So, he's inviting Jeffrey out places. You've also got meeting details like this. Can Jeffrey Epstein do coffee with Kimell Musk at 10 a.m. on Friday, October 5th? You've also got this Kimble writing to Jeffrey directly. Saying, "Hey, Jeffrey. Sorry you missed the party. It was a blast. Sorry to miss lunch on Sunday. Had to fly back and nurse myself back to health. Be out of town next Friday. I'd love to meet up. If you're in town, let me know." Kimell, you also got Jeffrey inviting Kimell to his island. He says, "You're invited to the island for the next couple of days. Come relax." To which Kimble responds, "Thanks, Jeffrey. That would be nice. I'm still dealing with a nuclear explosion. That is my life, but I'm hopeful that things are settled down a bit.

[\[22:02\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1322s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Thanks for the invite. I'm in Europe traveling for most of February, maybe in the spring. Please say hi to Jennifer for me." Also got Kimell is now confirmed to come to your house at 11:30 on Sunday. So that's not to say that Kimble isn't sincere in his saying that his heart goes out to the victims of Jeffrey Epstein. But his characterization of him as a demon in retrospect is a little bit different than what his communication looks like in the emails themselves. I just think it's amazing that like so the first three people that we've discussed so far are been have been like really influential donors in psychedelics so far. These are people whose like absolutely no judgment in like who they surround themselves with.

[\[22:50\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1370s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Obviously, like Jervson isn't emailing directly with him, but you know, he's close. He's super close with Musk and all the horrible stuff that Musk has done. But like these are the people who are pumping in a lot of money. It's not just the money, it's the connections and the influence and the and how they're guiding the development of the space. It's pretty disturbing. You know, we've been saying this for quite some time now, and it's just it gets darker. So yeah, those are kind of the major psychedelic funders that have shown up so far. A couple other figures that have popped up. I think there was just it was sort of funny to me to see Jeffrey Epstein and his friend discussing Peter Teal betting on magic mushrooms to treat depression.

[\[23:36\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1416s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) LHS, I'm not sure who that is, says it's a stretch from buying a lottery ticket on this stuff as a good anti-depressant to talking this to taking the stuff all the time yourself. to which Jeffrey Epstein responded with a New York Times article about Elon Musk taking a bunch of drugs. That was sort of a just a little side exchange that I caught. And then there's this exchange between about Deepo Chopra that has come up and I'll pull up the first email. We can kind of go through what they're discussing here. Jeffrey Epstein writes to him, "It's a big blacked out thing." And then it says, "Alchemist Kitchen will text you when leaving my house." To which Deepo Chopra responds, "Thanks." Jeffrey says, "Can you do two o'clock?" So, they're talking about going to visit a place called the Alchemist Kitchen.

[\[24:25\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1465s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Does anyone want to give a little bit of background on what that is or was? You know, my recollection was that it was an outgrowth of Daniel Pinchbeck's Evolver Network. One of these sort of meeting spaces for the psychedelics and consciousness set, but also like a retail outlet for various like herbal supplements and what have you. Kind of a having never been myself the impression that I got was kind of a up market new age meeting place but also yeah retail outlet yeah I had gone once probably in 2017 2018 it's in Manhattan yeah it's like a botanical kind of new age psychedelic sort of shop meeting place I'd seen a talk There in the basement,

[\[25:25\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1525s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) They had a bunch of mobile IV drips that you could get vitamin IVs and you could get cracked pine pollen and stuff like that, you know, your ashwagandha and all your hippie \[expletive\] Gotcha. And that was kind of that was involved with that Evolver Network and Daniel Pinchback. And then was Ken Jordan involved? I think it was I think he was yeah I think Ken I think it he was the primary guy the owner I'm not entirely sure if he was but Ken Jordan to those who don't know was one of the co-founders of Lucid News which is a psychedelic media site that kind of came up after the Evolver Network. This next email is from him to Jeffrey Epstein.

[\[26:11\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1571s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) I'll pull it up in the middle here just regarding intros. There's a guy in Jeffrey Epstein's network who I've seen come up a lot around psychedelic stuff named Gino. He seems to be kind of a bit of a connector and was introducing people to Jeffrey. One of them, it appears to be Ken Jordan from Evolver and Lucid. This was sort of Ken Jordan saying he's looking forward to Jeffrey Epstein visiting the Alchemist Kitchen location. He says, "Jeffrey, it was great to connect. I look forward to showing you the Alchemist Kitchen on Monday. Please let me know what time is best for you. We're open 8 to 6 and have an event that starts at 7:00\. Gave him the address. Jeffrey Epstein said I should be there around 2:30 or 3.

[\[26:57\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1617s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) See you there. Great. Looking forward to it. And this was in 2016 which normally I think you had maybe said before was this around the time of Horizons which was a second conference in the same area. Yeah, it was a this was a couple months before we had done an event in New York that year and yeah, they were sharing stuff from Arowid and Michael Poland and all the names. \[laughter\] Yeah. In the last email that you had just had on screen, is that the one is that the one that Deepac says that he's going to that they're meeting up together? Deepac, Chopra, and Epstein that they're meeting up together at Alchemist Kitchen. It's part of that chain.

[\[27:42\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1662s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) I didn't have I don't have that exact email, but I think I believe that's part of that chain where they're discussing going to meet at the Alchemist Kitchen. And then just as a kind of little conclusion here, I did while I was searching this find Jeffrey Epstein responding to I think Gino about his sort of takeaways on the Alchemist Kitchen which weren't very favorable. So I'll drop that in the middle here. He's writing, I will have a Sai Woo conference. All fun Deepo Chsky. It sounds like he's sort of bloiating on some con on a madeup conference. He wants to have unconventional and conventional. The conventional I know. Well, I would be it would be great to have a demonstration of any unconventional talent.

[\[28:27\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1707s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Has David has not taken up the challenge to march faces to names. shame. Went to see Alchemist Kitchen in part so you would know I always do as I will say. Not a viable retail strategy in my opinion. Not enough product in too many categories like Normie was just describing. \[laughter\] IV drips of vitamins, botanicals, all the works. His assessment was not a viable re retail strategy. I'm curious that he's saying this now that I'm looking at it. He's saying not a v a viable retail strategy. That makes me think he was pitched on a business plan. I would guess that. Yeah, because like I was saying in our chat a few days ago when we were looking at some of I hadn't seen this one, but I know that Ken at the time was pitching the Alchemist Kitchen around.

[\[29:24\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1764s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) I was at an event with him and it got kind of awkward his pitching. And again, just to note these dates, I mean, this is August of 2016 that Alchemist Kitchen is being pitched to Jeffrey Epstein. That's eight years after he was a convicted sex criminal. It's just And who is he writing in this? Do you know? I believe he's writing to Gino. Here, let me Yeah, so this email was between Jeffrey Epstein and Gino, the guy who I said was kind of connecting Jeffrey to people in the psychedelic realm of things. Gino, if you look the dude up in these files, Gino U, he's like a video game designer and a guy at like a university, but he's got a bunch of really bizarre emails to Jeffrey Epstein as well, talking about his thoughts on on sexuality.

[\[30:16\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1816s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) I found one the other day of him introducing Jeffrey to the guy who started the blue man group, saying, "Jeffrey, this guy is interested in sexuality. \[laughter\] It's bizarre." As a final note on Deepo Chopra, Derek Baris from the Conspirituality podcast had also done some digging and found some emails between him and Jeffrey Epstein. You can see here he put out a blue sky post saying, "Oh, this just keeps getting worse." So, one email from Deepo Chopra to Jeffrey Epstein reads, "Cells are human constructs. No such thing. Universe is human construct. No such thing." And then creepily, "Cute girls are aware when they make noises." Another email from Jeffrey to Deepo says, "Does a cell have form? Is a cell aware? Does it have emotion?

[\[31:02\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1862s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Does it perform action?" And then, "Did you find me a cute Israeli smiley face?" These strange interactions and connections between Deepo Chopra are relevant to our video here. Particularly because Deepo Chopra headlines and is still headlining psychedelic conferences like this coming up in February. He's one of the headliners for micro doing and psychedelic retreats transforming human health and evolution. You can see here on the sixth day of their conference he's giving a speech consciousness and spirit with Deepo Chopra. But anyway, that's sort of the gist of all the stuff that's come up from the psychedelic world in these files. At least that's surfaced so far.

[\[31:47\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1907s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) How much how in-depth have you gone on your searches? I've done a general sweep of all of the major investor names in our report. That's sort of been the extent of what I've done. And Austin Hurst turned up the most hits. Kimble Musk has a ton. Peter Teal's got his fair share of stuff unrelated to psychedelics in there. And Jervson's got that one FBI memo. Yeah. My takeaway is these, you know, so many of these people, this is just the crowd who wants to usher in the so-called mental health revolution and in the process, you know, they find themselves talking to one of the most \[expletive\] up people that we're likely to come across in our lifetimes. Yeah. It's no judgement. What we've been following for almost a decade now is like this willingness of people who think they're working towards the greater good being willing to rub elbows with some of the nastiest people on earth to get

[\[32:49\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6hnPXszOk&t=1969s&ref=ghost.psymposia.com) Secure funding and to see their kind of vision through ends justify the means style. And these provide like a limited window of course into these people's lives and their relationships with one another. But I think there's insight in seeing how they talk to one another, what they talk about, and who decides to interact with people knowing full well what they've done and what they've been convicted of and their reputation.